"I've created a monster" or "The student exceeds the teacher"

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So to give a bit of the backstory, I come from a family that was involved in Bluegrass music. My uncle was best friends with a legendary (within the bluegrass community) instrument maker and could play anything with strings on it. My uncle taught a lot of us kids how to play various instruments and every Sunday after church we would gather on his porch (or in his living room when it was cold) and play for several hours.

I learned the Guitar which I became very good at. The Banjo, which I would say I was proficient. The mandolin and the fiddle, which I could play a handful songs without butchering them too badly :) Of course moving and having no one to practice with I stopped playing some 30 years ago. That is until my youngest came to me and told me she wanted to learn to play the Violin.

I think I related the arguments she and I had about her believing that I couldn't teach her the violin because I only played the fiddle (in her mind they were two different instruments), which took me learning and playing the first couple bars of "Let it Go" for her to finally win :)

So after buying her one of the good but inexpensive student violins, she began learning but refusing to play any bluegrass. It was touch and go as she would at times get very frustrated. During this time she almost quit trying, but as she was also interested in the guitar I bought her a good parlor sized guitar at an auction to play on so she was spending the time practicing some kind of instrument.

The one thing I coldn't teach her was how to read music, while I understand what the notes are on sheet music I have never been able to associate the written notes to the sounds on the instrument. Entering her first year of intermediate school she joined a mariachi band, and has taken to reading music like she was born to it.

Through all this she had been adamant about not playing Bluegrass, which by the way does not bother me in the slightest, as it was what I knew on the fiddle and could use to teach her. The couple of bar bands I played guitar in back in my youth played folk and soft rock, so I'm not set on any specific style that I think has to be played and like all kids of music with the exception of Opera and rap.

Of course now that the little one (okay she's not so little anymore at 5'3" is taller than most other kids in her class) has been practicing and playing in her band for about a year, she has become quite good. Couple weekend ago she came to me remembering that I had told her that the Mandolin was tuned and played exactly like the violin and asked if she could try it. I offered to turn it but she insisted she could (and did) then after a little confusing over the frets, that I explained in terms of a violin, she was playing amazingly well for someone that had never touched a mandolin before. Standing in front of her mother when she got home and playing the theme to Star Wars (They are both big star wars fans)

Then last weekend she brings her Violin out while I'm cooking on the grill and plays Cripple Creek on it for me, grinning from ear to ear at me while she did it. Later that day she got me to download and print off the sheet music to 'Irish Washerwoman' so she could learn it for a talent show they are having at school.

Did I forget to mention that she has started learning the banjo and wants to play the flute in the school's regular band next year?

Maybe I can get her to teach me the flute :)

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Instruments

As an old (and medically retired) violinist, I plead with you not to try the flute! And perhaps my experience with the piano will make you feel better -- I took lessons for about 6 months and the teacher quit!

With the littl one

I'll probably rent a flute at first just to make sure she'll stick with it like she has the violin. I know from experience it is very easy to get frustrated and put a new instrument down and go back to the one you can play.

As far as me playing one? We'll see :) I've always thought they sounded great but do I really have the time to learn one?

We the willing, led by the unsure. Have been doing so much with so little for so long,
We are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

Little ones

Several years ago, my littlest one (who cannot read music but has a beautiful voice!) tried flute with limited success and then cello -- with even more limited success. At least she was bigger than the flute at the time! Have a great day and (try to) stay dry!

Check Goodwill online

Check Goodwill online auctions. basic student flutes come through regularly, cheaply. Much cheaper than renting.

As long as she doesn't start playing and whining "Widowmaker", be happy. (Blue Ridge Mountain Boys are good, but almost impossible to find the old recordings)


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Tull Time

Get her the flute and some Jethro Tull recordings. Like "Aqualung" and "Thick As A Brick". Those are songs you can't shake and are intricate enough to require playing well from sheet music. That will keep her busy and off the streets. ;-)


"Life is not measured by the breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.”
George Carlin

The problem with used woodwind instruments

Is that the seals and valves are made out of cork and even with good care need to be replaced after some years, witch can cost 100 dollars or more to have done. To add to that, if any valves or rods are bent and need replacement...

While I would consider buying a used Flute for her, I would only do it in person and having someone with me who knew more about the instrument than I do.

What good is buying a flute for 30 dollars when I could end up spending another 250 or more for a flute that end up only worth 150 - 200 bucks in the end.

Another thing is she is very good at taking care of her things. She still has a set of 3D Disney princesses I made out of paper for her when she was 5 years old, (They are sort of like angel Christmas tree toppers in size and shape) And still has a 3D replica of Disney's Sleeping Beauty castle also made out of paper (Approx 2 feet square in size) that I made for her when she was 3 that she played with daily. So I know she will take good care of a new flute if I buy her one.

We the willing, led by the unsure. Have been doing so much with so little for so long,
We are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

what about simply starting

what about simply starting her on the recorder then going to the normal flute from there? those are even cheaper and durable and don't need maintenance...

I'm told STFU more times in a day than most people get told in a lifetime

I had a bad experience with that

People insisting you play something other than what you were interested in.

When I first went to high school I was going to join the band. I wanted to play the sax. My parents were insistent that I should play the clarinet since I could use my cousins that she never played anymore and the band teacher was insistent that I should play the trombone.

Guess who didn't join the band?

We the willing, led by the unsure. Have been doing so much with so little for so long,
We are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

Sorry...

Sorry...

I was just thinking of something economical to get her used to working all of her fingers over the holes since woodwinds are so different from strings. Then again, I have never been able to play one but did OK with the saxophone with a few weeks of practice on a single musical piece.

I'm told STFU more times in a day than most people get told in a lifetime

Student flutes are pretty

Student flutes are pretty robust. Usually, the most they need is new pads, and you can do that yourself. Even if some of the pivots are bent, they're easy to remove and straighten. Open hole flutes, piccolos, and the higher end stuff is another story.

I wouldn't suggest buying a bassoon or bass clarinet unless it's really cheap (you'd need to get it serviced anyway), but a basic flute is pretty straightforward.

(Oh - the only things that have valves are brass. Woodwinds don't have them, so no need to worry about that.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

The old standby

The recorder was the instrument of choice for kids for a long time.

Cheap too.

in her mind they were two different instruments

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The difference between a violin and a fiddle is that a violin has strings, while a fiddle has strangs. ;o)

Woody Guthrie was once asked if he could read music, to which he reportedly replied, "Not enough to hurt my playing."

I once tried to learn to play guitar using Woody Gruthrie's "A Folk Singer's Guide to Guitar Playing." He had an interesting mark-up system to show what cords to play that didn't require you to learn to read music to become proficient. However, I lacked two key elements necessary to be a successful musician. I don't have a sense of rhythm and I'm tone deaf. :o(

Hugs
Patricia

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Great story!

She sounds so talented! You could suggest she listens to Sandy Bull to get a range of stringed instruments.

It's always sad...

It's always sad...

when a child surpasses their parent :D Don't worry, she sounds like she's the spitting image of you in a lot of ways. Has she done any creative writing or is she still a little young for that?

Re: music. I am about the worst when it comes to playing musical instruments. I was terrible at the recorder, could barely manage the valves on the baritone horn(larger than a french horn but smaller than a tuba), and took a long time to master the basics of a saxophone. The less said about my attempts to strum a guitar or use any bows on stringed instruments, the better :( But I could keep a beat and able to know when a higher or lower sound was needed to tie a song or piece of music together. Sadly, I am one of those who can be a critic but not actually do what I am critiquing. Sometimes you can do it naturally, but just can't translate it well. Others, like yourself and your daughter, can do it naturally and translate it to something that doesn't make animals scream out in pain(seriously, my cat swiped at me for trying to play the recorder in her presence!)

I'm told STFU more times in a day than most people get told in a lifetime

Sad never, proud yes!

I am really proud and quite happy she has done so well in so little time (Less than a year) As for surpassing me? I expected it as she practices daily sometimes for more than an hour a day.

We the willing, led by the unsure. Have been doing so much with so little for so long,
We are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

She the only one to take

She the only one to take after you?

I'm told STFU more times in a day than most people get told in a lifetime

Nope, she's just the only one still at home

She has two older sisters that are very good with sketching and painting.

We the willing, led by the unsure. Have been doing so much with so little for so long,
We are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

Ah, so she got the music and

Ah, so she got the music and they got two facets of art visual art. At least they inherited the good parts of you and hopefully not the bad ones as well :D

I'm told STFU more times in a day than most people get told in a lifetime