Iran to allow first transsexual marriage

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Woman wins court battle for father's approval to marry schoolfriend who has undergone sex-change operation [FtM]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/11/iran-transexual-...

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Iran is a little world all of it's own.

Angharad's picture

is this real or just a way of legitimising what would otherwise be seen as a gay relationship? Either way, I wish them luck, they'll probably need it.

Angharad

Angharad

False pretenses...

Iran has, for many years, used the offer of gender reassignment surgery to "cure" homosexuals as an alternative to religious-court sentencing, or in other words, death. They have done this to silence external criticisms of their treatment of gays and lesbians.

That a few actual transsexuals, Iranian and from outside the country, have benefited from this is an accident, not altruism or enlightenment on the part of Irani authorities.

The allowance of a transsexual marriage is another part of the deal. Two 'cures' for gay in one ceremony.

It's a corrupt government, a lie, and a perversion of all that could be called law or justice.

And gay men who experience forced GRS are victims, not lucky.

Michelle

With apologies!

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I am sorry if this offends my Persian sisters and brothers, but I am afraid that I agree, sadly. The current regime in Iran brought in thugs to shoot and kill the protesters in Tehran after the recent election, and they have hung homosexuals on more than one occasion. This is a political comment I suppose, but it's more an indictment against the total lack of human rights in Iran. I hope for everyone's sake that either things change, which is highly unlikely at the present time; or those who have decided to be who they are can actually leave and move to a country which would provide them with refuge and safety rather than rejection and death. Sorry for the morbid tone, but these dear ones are in peril, and I pray for their safety!
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I agree that Iran has a terrible record on gay men and lesbians

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But also see nothing in this to suggest that this is anything other than a love story.

The woman who first persuaded the Ayatollah Khomeini to issue a fatwa on transsexuals, Maryam Khatoon Molkara, appears to have been a true transsexual, and we must suppose that real transsexuals exist in Iran, so it seems a little wrong-headed to insist that all of them "must be" gay and merely pretending to be, or prefer reltionships with, transsexuals for appearance's sake.

The notion seems a little absurd, when one comes to think about it.

Gay men like men with their sexual parts intact, and we notice that gay men have been around for many thousands of years, and have persisted despite terrible persecution.

Quite frankly, a gay man who would be satisfied with a transsexual partner seems fairly likely to be satisfied with a born-female partner as well, in which case he would be bisexual, which a lot of people are.

Further, this attitude appears to trivialise transsexuals as well. If hormone therapy and a radical operation "don't really matter," as one can still be "gay," at least in Iran, does that mean that a transsexual man could, for example, initiate a sexual relationship with a man and then claim that, aside from a "non-essential detail," she was now a transsexual.

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/07/28/iran_tran...

I agree with the article that gender and sexual identity problems are fraught in Iran, but they are almost everywhere; Iran is just a little worse than many others.

Even in "civilised" societies, there are many parents, friends, co-workers, neighbours, who will be horrified by one choice where they might not be by the other, and this constitutes pressure, abeit more subtle, just as much as does the illegality of homosexuality in this country or that does.

This action, by a very prominent religious leader in a religion that consistently looks backward (as do many Western religions), was a step forward, and we don't know what will eventually come of it. It's at least a small hole chipped into a wall of precedent that has claimed to have all the answers for the best part of two thousand years.

A hundred years from now, people may look back on this and say "that was the start..."

Cheers,

Puddin'

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Cheers,

Puddin'

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Forests and trees

Generalizing the individual case to the societal situation is an error.

Iran *sentences* gays to death in unofficially sanctioned religious courts, often supported by religious families and communities. Some gays are "offered" the alternative of GRS, a heinous and cynical back-door reversal of their bodies' sex to 'match' their sexuality. It hides the 'shame' of homosexuality behind a newly-respectable, newly marry-able woman or man.

It is not a true choice, decision or option for the 'transsexual' gay or lesbian when the perceived (and often real) alternative is death.

Was the man in this case truly free in choosing GRS? Or is this a lesbian couple making do with a terrible choice, one that was no choice at all? Many, MANY involuntary sex-reassignment surgeries in Iran are reliably reported in the world media. Many of those involved have been interviewed. Many non-Iranians are provided with GRS in Iranian hospitals as well, to further obscure the issue of involuntary surgeries.

Many marriages are coercively arranged and enforced between post-GRS women and 'suitable' men... again reported in the world press and supported by interviews with the principles. They are simply not recorded as post-operative transsexuals.

Is this a love affair and marriage between a woman and a transgendered man?

In Iran, it would be the rarest of exceptions. I hope, for both of them, it is.

Michelle

This is an important issue to me, as I knew a young Iranian gay man in university who was terribly confused about his sexuality and gender... *because* of the prevalent attitudes in his country.

Choices...

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>> Or is this a lesbian couple making do with a terrible choice, one that was no choice at all?

I think you overlook the significant portion of the story: An Iranian court has ordered an Iranian man to be more tolerant, and the man has evidently had a change of heart.

If this were entirely a sham, I don't think you'd find emotions like that involved, I don't think you'd find a court taking the side of the "lesbians," and I don't think anyone would be willing to set aside the legal right of a father to control his daughter (however barbaric this may seem, we should realise that it's less than a hundred years since most Western fathers had a similar right), but are treating the case as if it involved the competing rights of two males.

This is a *huge* change, and shows that the change of status is considered legitimate in every way. Read the article by the woman who started it all; can't you see the truth in it?

I think that this is the crack in Iranian religious law that will eventually cause the rest to wither away. Once one starts making humane decisions, cases where compassion is involved will come up again.

And we shouldn't forget that Western transsexual and transgendered people have "terrible choices" thrust upon them that barely qualify as choices as well.

One has to follow "standards of care" that force one into a "mental illness" paradigm, whether one feels particularly mentally ill or not. Everyone knows, I think, that many people lie to mental health and other professionals involved in this barbaric practice, "jumping through hoops" in proper order to achieve their desired end. One finds, after all, websites devoted to teaching one the "proper" answers, which speaks volumes about the profound silliness of the whole business. Is one really mentally ill when one is studying the skills involved in malingering? Do schizophrenics study to pass their schizophrenia examinations?

Instead of a free choice, as it should be, and as it was in societies that really accepted transgendered and "two-spirit" people, it becomes a "sickness" to prefer another sex to the one was assigned at birth, as if this were part of some sort of divine order which requires one to have a proper excuse to violate with impunity.

Look at the free will paradigms seen in Triton (Samuel R. Delany) and Steel Beach (John Varley), although both have their own set of problems, the one perhaps meant as a response to the other. Does the current system in any "Western Democracy" look anything like either?

While "our" system is obviously "better," both systems are symptomatic of the same restrictive and judgmental worldview, that there are right ways and wrong ways to behave in matters of gender and sexuality, and you'd better have a damned good reason if you want to escape the straight-jacket.

Cheers,

Puddin'

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Cheers,

Puddin'

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I don't even know what I have to add to the debate

or examination of the subject or whatever you want to call it, but I have to say that if I If I were a gay man who was happy with being a gay man, it would be like the ultimate nightmare to be surgically transformed against my will. As a TS person, to force someone into that is evil.

I wish that our world were better and these sorts of things weren't going on.

Unfortunately, they are. You can react however you want to, militant political activity, writing, just talking to people. The truth is that none of this really makes any difference to that kind of mindset. It isn't limited to Islam, or even to Christianity. It is the innate human tendency toward fear and distrust of anything that is OTHER.

This essential Xenophobia is the thing that needs to be overcome and the rest, acceptance, equal protection, etc, will follow.

Don't ask me how to achieve this lofty goal, I haven't a clue.

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