Quick question (non-tg so far, but writing related)

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Last year, I came across a book about what makes a hero a hero, and a villain a villain, and what the differences really are. Ok, I lost the link to the book and was wondering if anyone here has, perchance, seen it? Basically, who is the greater good person, the hero that accidentally floods the valley and lets a few innocents die, or the villain who saves the people but makes the hard decisions on who to save? Call thenm the arrogant hero and the tragic villain. There are so many writers here, there must be an answer somewhere, just need to keep looking :P
Thanks!

Diana

ps Just looking to do some research to get my Muse off my back for a story She insists I write

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Please post the answer.

Diana,

Sounds like a very interesting book... if you get the answer in a private message, can you let the rest of us know too?

Thanks in advance!
Sapphire

Yes, sounds interesting

erin's picture

I love reading stuff like that.

Hugs,
Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

Something I read

Perhaps on the Crystal Hall. Everybody is a hero in their own eyes. There is a medical term for making the tough decisions, it's called triage. You just have to remember that some people are not going to have the same priorities as you. Pure right and pure wrong, or good and evil, exists only in comicbooks. If a terrorist is holding the trigger switch to a bomb that would kill thousands of people but you can't get a clear shot at him because he is using a young girl as a human shield, what do you do? Brutal logic says you have to take the kill shot even if it means killing the young girl, in order to save those thousands. But be prepared to have your skin flayed from your body for deliberately killing an innocent child. Hero or villain? And in whose judgement?

In Afghanistan Bradley Manning committed treason to expose the deaths of some innocent civilians (less than a hundred, IIRC) killed by American forces. Afghanistan's government wants to try those soldiers as war criminals. In WW II, the British High Command, with the endorsement of Winston Churchill, committed to the policy of saturation bombing of German cities. Several of those cities (think Dresden and Hamburg) were consumed by the fire storms that resulted, killing tens of thousands of civilians. The men that approved the policy and those who carried out the bombings were awarded medals and received accolades. This would suggest that wholesale civilian deaths are acceptable, retail civilian deaths are not. Who's the hero and who's the villain? Can anybody be said to be a hero, or a villain? It's much like U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart who commented on defining hard-core pornography "I know it when I see it". Hero or villain is defined by others, and the "standards" are ambiguous at best.

These are just some late night brain bubblings and may not help with what you want, but I hope it gives you something to consider when defining who is a hero and who is a villain.


"Life is not measured by the breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.”
George Carlin

It might well be...

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Heroes & Villains by Mike Alsford

Heroes & Villains on Google Books

Heroes & Villains on Amazon.com

Publication Date: January 31, 2007

Hercules, Jesus, James Bond, Luke Skywalker, Gandalf, Frodo, Harry Potter, Buffy Summers, Spiderman, Batman, Captain Kirk, Dr. Who, Darth Vader, Sauron, Voldemort, Lex Luthor, Dr. Doom, the Daleks, the Borg. Almost anybody living in the developed West would be able to group these individuals into two camps: the heroes and the villains. However, what criteria they may use to do this is less clear. Mike Alsford introduces us to a range of heroic and villainous archetypes on a journey through film, television, comic books, and literature. On the way, he addresses questions such as: What is a true hero? What is a true villain? Have we misunderstood these terms? What kind of societal values do our mythical heroes and villains represent? In trying to understand the extremes of hero and villain we are made more aware of our own ethical standards and given a space in which to explore contemporary concerns over notions of right and wrong, good and bad.

He wrote another book that might be of interest to some, What If? Religious Themes in Science Fiction. Both books appear to be OP, but are available in the specialist marketplace...

Whoops! The first seems to be readily available as a Kindle download, as well as a pricey paperback. Should have looked further.

Note that Angela Carter also wrote an SF book called Heroes and Villains, but it's not one of her best. Of more interest to the readers on this site might be her The Passion of New Eve, which is a marvellous book in which the arrogant protagonist is forcibly transformed into a woman. I highly recommend it.

The Passion of New Eve on Amazon.com

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Cheers,

Puddin'

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What is strange is that a

person is a hero or villain, depending upon the culture.

    Stanman
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