For the cyclists (and the drivers)

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For the cyclists out there this is a great read about a neat idea. For the drivers, move over!

Why every cyclist needs a pool noodle

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I've never begrudged cyclists but...

Don;t get me wrong as I feel we should be able to share the road, but sharing the road goes both ways and over the past few years it seems that some cyclists in my area are "hogging" the roads rather than sharing.

It seems at least in my area, we have more bike paths than imaginable including one here by my house that runs along the river from start to finish around 50 or 60 miles. What I don't understand is why I see so many cyclists on the main road (55mph speed limit) here by my house, instead of the more scenic, safer and much better maintained bike path that parallels that same road? This is one I really would like to have explained to me because it really makes me wonder about the intelligence of the cyclist that does it? Seriously why would you ride a bicycle on a two lane road with a speed limit of 55mph when there is a specifically created much better maintained "road" for you?

I doubt anyone here can be considered into the following types of cyclists but these types give everyone a bad name.

There are the cyclists that are determined to ride two and three abreast at a very leisurely pace on the street blocking traffic and never move over into a single line to allow cars to pass.

Or, and these are my favorite category of cyclist, the ones that believe posted traffic signs are optional, if not outright ignored! I can't tell you how many times I've had to slam on my brakes because some cyclist, bent headlong into riding as fast as he can, blows right through a stop sign.

We the willing, led by the unsure. Have been doing so much with so little for so long,
We are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

Agreed. Before bicyclists

Agreed. Before bicyclists are given any _more_ 'rights', they need to start obeying the laws! Just two days ago I watched a father, with his daughter, ride straight through two stop signs in a row - in a neighborhood that's hard to see cross traffic unless you're right at the sign itself.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

you can't

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legislate for stupidity!


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Madeline Anafrid Bell

Let's put it this way.

Let's put it this way.

I found out that the _only_ police that bother enforcing the laws that bicyclists have to obey are a VERY tiny group that patrol downtown. That's it. Otherwise, they'll happily sit eating donuts and drinking coffee at an intersection while hundreds of them flood through a red light.

Oh - and I've seen it happen.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

doesn't

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make it right but I repeat, its not just cyclists ignoring traffic signs


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Madeline Anafrid Bell

you want

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the long answer or the short?

As you might have picked up elsewhere, I ride a bike quite a lot and I've been doing so for well over 40 years so I think I might have a little experience! I don't drive but I do travel in cars/buses regularly, I do however cover more tarmac than many motorised travellers (over 10k miles last year, 5k already this year.

Purpose built cycle trails (i'm talking like the river trail you mention) are brilliant - if you have all the time in the world, ride at 10mph and are out to enjoy the view. OTOH they are terrible, they take you away from where you might want to go, they are actually more dangerous than the roads (I speak from experience here) and engender the sort of comments/views you have stated. 55mph? I was clocking speeds of 30 - 45mph on my ride yesterday, I wasn't racing, just enjoying my fitness - I couldn't do that on a shared path with pedestrians, dog walkers and slower riders - I can do it on a road sharing with motor vehicles.

Obeying traffic signals (or not) is hardly just a cyclist thing is it? for every cyclist I see running a light etc I see at least two cars/trucks - the consequences for a bike are generally more severe, I would consider it a confirmation of Darwin's law of survival, the fittest mentally as well as physically will continue the species. Modern medicine and laws have changed this over riding tenet for Homo Sapiens but it makes it no less true.

I can go on but I won't, we all remember the jaywalker, the bad driver, the poor cyclist and ignore the other 99% who do obey signals, overtake safely, look before crossing. its too easy to tar everyone in a perceived 'group' with the same brush, cyclists are no more a single entity than BMW drivers, cheerleaders, Americans or TG/V writers.

Before you get on your high horse perhaps you might find out why bikes 'swerve all over', maybe they are dodging potholes, or use the road, the trail doesn't take them where they are going or even push through a red, it could be more dangerous to put the anchors on? Not saying that's always or even often the case but it could be - you wouldn't use the motorway to get to the next town if there was a shorter, more direct option so why should cyclists?


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Madeline Anafrid Bell

I think it's a percentage

I think it's a percentage thing, and a lack of education, and an extreme lack of enforcement.

I drive a _lot_. I've also spent a lot of time on a bike, when I was younger - and you could only ride on the road, as there aren't normally bike paths in the country.

Bikes get half the lane. That's the law. (interestingly enough, additional jurisdictions are now saying 'give the bike three feet' - which is less than the lane. However, too many bikers ignore the other part of the ' half the lane' law, which is _keep to the right_ when riding alone) Many bikers think that they should get the entire lane, and/or ride on the left, which blocks cars from passing without moving completely into oncoming traffic. (When there are more bikers, they're supposed to ride staggered, just like motorcycles, and only move completely to the right if there's heavy traffic that needs to pass. Side by side is a no-no. )

There are also minimum speed laws. So, for a road with a 60mph speed limit, the minimum speed is 45mph. That's why bikers aren't allowed on the freeways - most can't get anywhere close to 45mph, especially not constantly.

Yes, there are more cars that ignore traffic signals than bikes - but as a percentage, more bikers ignore the traffic laws. Failure to signal, riding into oncoming traffic, ignoring street signs, crossing intersections at an angle, moving from sidewalk to street to sidewalk without any sort of notice, etc. That doesn't mention all of the bikes without lights, or even reflectors, that love to ride around at night.

I do my absolute best to watch out for the bikes, and I've done a really good job of it. I've never run one over, even when they've done their best to try to kill themselves with my car(s). I'm just very frustrated at the constant litany of how bikers have rights, and how everyone needs to pander to them - without any mention of their responsibilities. They destroyed a good chunk of downtown Houston just to put in bike lanes - that almost nobody uses at all. The few bikers that ride downtown never had a problem just riding in the lanes like the laws already allowed. It's just that bikes are a nice eco-friendly(TM) topic to use for elections and feel-good projects.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Safer to Push through a red?

Oh come on, that's a bit of a stretch! saying that it's safer for a cyclist to go through a red traffic signal makes as much sense as the crowd over here that ride a certain class of motorcycles saying that loud exhaust pipes save lives. it's self serving and patently untrue most of the time.

It's great that you are a capable bike rider that follows the rules, but it's obvious a lot of cyclists just don't. And it's even more obvious when the odds catch up to them. people on two wheels don't fair well when trading kinetic energy with motor vehicles. I don't understand this aggressive attitude by some cyclists in assuming the laws of physics and common sense don't apply to them.

I certainly wish the roads were more cycle friendly in the US, I like to ride also, as well as own a couple of motorbikes. I am very aware of the dangers of being on two wheels, it's an every week thing when I am riding that I have a near death experience on our roads. (I certainly hope it's better for riders in the UK!) the oblivious drivers that turn left in front of you, the cell phone users, the drunk and the distracted.

unusually

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My last few rides I haven't had anyone making a concerted effort to kill me - maybe it's the predominantly rural nature of the rides.

3ft - geez, I know some riders who are that wide! The expectance this side of the pond for new lanes is a minimum 1.5m but ideally 2m. Of course, in many urban streets that date back maybe 1000 years this is completely impossible - the usual answer has been to ban motorised traffic!
I think a lot of the atitude iand road craft issues are a result of lack of training and experience but also how bikes are often marketed. Here in the UK we used to have bike training in Junior schools, it happens again now but for @ 30 years there was none. That's a whole generation who are now encouraged to ride but have likely not ridden since pre teen age.
Again, in the past most 'serious' riders would have ridden with a club and learned skills there, these days that is very much a small %. It's certainly where I learnt many of my skills. This lack of skill is the cause of most accidents in mass participation events and yes, on shared cycle paths.

Safer to run a red - well yes but again experience and location are part of the equation. Approaching a light that changes quickly, especially in the wet, can be a proper lottery. Jam the brakes on and hope you can stop safely and without the car behind running into you as he's gonna jump anyhow. A split second decision, is it less dangerous to keep going than try stopping? In this situation I might well run the red. That's quite different to just blatantly riding through every light - i've seen people doing that, how Darwins Law hasn't been reinforced heavens knows.

In Europe riding 2 abreast is allowed, its actually safer than being staggered or in line when traffic wants to pass. For starters, they can see you easier, the so called IDSY effect is reduced. Yes traffic has to pass wider (hopefully) but that's certainly safer than pushing past through too small gaps. And of course, in the case of bigger groups would you rather pass the length of say 20 riders or 10?

Riding to the right (or left as appropriate) does not mean riding in the gutter! The correct position should be @ 1m out in the curbside wheel track of 4 wheel users. This will normally keep you out of the drains, holes and debris but also aid in reducing dangerous passes. This isn't always practical or possible for all manner of reasons. One good reason not to tailgate bikes, we may have to dodge, quite late, potholes / ironworks, either that or end up eating tarmac. (I must admit to getting a bit of air at times to clear such imperfections but that's not always possible and let's face it, most riders don't have the skillz!)

Over here roads are open to all traffic unless expressly forbidden. So in the UK (and the rest of Europe) bicycles and vehicles under 50cc are barred from motorways but except in a few special instances (like tunnels and motorway links) I can ride my bike on any other road. The national speed limit is the same on all roads unless signed differently so even a tiny country lane has the same 70mph limit as a motorway - it might not be safe or advisable but that's how it stands. There are certainly some roads where I can, on my bike break the posted speed limit but in the UK i've never come close to the National limit!

So I repeat, please when driving think about quite why the bike is making that unexpected move. Now kids on off pavements etc, that's something else altogether but most drivers just see the bike and make the jump to all bike riders ignore the law in the same breath.

It is rather ironic that in the UK the cycling demographic has pretty much come full circle from rich man's play thing to transport of the masses and back to expensive playthings! Of the whole population, those in the lowest income bracket are those least likely to ride even for transport.

And so I conclude the lesson for today. Lol


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Madeline Anafrid Bell

neat trick

That is one way to get a car to know you are there and how much room to give you LOL, When I was running can't tell you how many times cars got REALLY close. Not fun feeling to wind in your running shorts.