A little computer mothering please?

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I must shamelessly admit that when I became a woman, did the whacking and oven making, all interest in how computers are made, abruptly just left me. I used to work with all that technical stuff a lot but that was part of another life in a universe far, far away...

I do remember that my computer is a 2.6 gig Dell Laptop to which I have attached a sensable keyboard, and a flat screen monitor (12x15)". It is about 6 years old and I know that one day, it will croak...give it's last.

So, last night I started looking at a new desk top to educate myself. I doubt that I can ever afford an Apple, though I hear that they are very good. One thing that confuses me is that it seems with the advent of muliple processing chips, clock speed means much less. I have no idea how much memory is good but it seems as if 1 or 2 Gig is posible. I also know that I want some relatively good graphics so I can run the new Barbi or Flight Sim software.:) I am not really a "gaming" person though. I do love doing things that are collaborative or non-competitive.

Would some one care to give me some advice about what I should be looking for. I do know that I want lots of bays to put "stuff" in.

Many blessings

Gwen

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Gwen, As For Computers,

The larger the RAM and Greater the speed, the better. Dell makes a good computer, but I think you had best ask someone who knows computers.
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With the dual core

With the dual core processors, the speed still matters, it's just that a lower number isn't neccessarily worse than a single-core processor with a higher GHz number. That said, if you don't do much high end software (either games, or production (ie database work, source compiling, video games, video encoding, graphic creation, etc....) you don't need much at all. My laptop has a 1.6GHz dual core (AMD) and pretty much all the slow down I experience comes from insufficient RAM, but I don't use it for any of said high-end softwares. ATM, Intel is putting out the better product (significantly so), however, if you're on a budget AMD has the best 'value' products.

1GB RAM is probably the very minimum that you would want to go with these days. If you'd be getting Windows Vista I would double that. Depending on how realistic the flight sims you use are, and how modern, it would be best to look into at least 2GB of ram, irregardless of OS. If nothing else, that would help keep your computer current significantly longer. For decent brands, there's Corsair, Kingston, xfG (or something like that?). DDR2 would be the best economy option ,but if you have money to throw around, DDR3 would be nice. As with most things with computers these day,s it would also be important to consider whether it has (or needs) cooling help. I found reviews for RAM particularly helpful, as it will help get a feel for the performance (and compatability issues) of particular lines. Most mother board manufacturers publish lists of RAM that is confirmed to be compatible with each particular motherboard.

For graphics cards things can get a bit more complicated, as there are many many different companies putting out vastly differing products. To make things worse, many affordable options are affordable because they have been essentially crippled by some money-saving change or omition in its manufacture. That said, there are usually a number of good cards available for under $200. The primary choice is between Nvidia and ATI. I've personally had better experiences and luck with nvidia cards (as well as had a generally easier time finding good cards in the lower price ranges), but it is largely up to personal preference. Secondly, you won't need an SLI/crossfire set-up (dual cards) as you won't be into the very hardware intensive gaming (usually FPS games), so you don't need to look for that in a card. Next is the manufacturing company. I don't know a whole lot about these, but I've heard good things about MSI cards (I've owned one before, and was pleased with it), as well as the fairly new company BFGTech. However, I find it's best to read reviews on individual cards, as even popular/renouned companies can have bad apples. The only company I would outright suggest avoiding for graphics cards is ASUS. I've not been pleased with any of their cards. (Though I have had great experiences with their mother boards). Statistics wise, I think the main things to consider are clock speed, mem speed (bus?), pixel pipelines, and the onboard memory.

You won't need a tonne of onboard memory, if you won't be using the latest and greatest graphical games (which tend to have very large textures, and such), similarly you can probably afford to skimp on the memory speed, BUT I would favour mem speed and bus speed over lots of RAM on the card. Pixel pipelines is a form of measurement for the bandwidth of the card, more means more things being displayed on the screen more quickly. This is a commonly lowered aspect on budget cards (sometimes even artificially so, in order to persuade people to use a more expensive card). Lastly, is the clock/gpu speed. Fairly simple; faster is better. I find it best to compare a large number of cards within your price range, to try and find a good balance between these specs. If any one of them is markedly less than the others, it will slow the entire process down. I also look at reviews on sites like newegg.com, and tigerdirect .com/.ca to to help in making a decision. Oh, and it would be best to go with PCI-E, not AGP cards, as that's the 'new thing' but is now quite affordable.

Motherboards can either be your first decision (whic hyou then build the computer system around), or it can be selected according to other choices you have made (such as processor type, or graphics card type, etc...). The main things to consider are AGP vs PCI-E for graphics, the correct kind of processor slot for your processor (or vice versa), dual channel DDR ram support (makes ram faster, when using identical kinds in synch), and sufficient standard PCI slots for any other cards you might need to add (such as a sound card, or wireless card). You should also consider if you want on-board sound, on-board lan, and if it provides enough USB ports, as well as cooling options (some boards these days have neat cooling 'helpers' to direct the heat built right into them).

If you don't feel comfortable putting the system together yourself (or have a friend who is), then I suggest you just search around and try to find the best healthy mix. A lot of companies tend do things to cut costs on ready-made computers, such as skimping on the RAM (Dell was/is notorious for this), getting paid to include "software bundles" of junk you don't ever want or need, using inferior brands, and so on. I've been hearing dell is better than it used to be, but I would still avoid it, or any company like it, as if it were the Plague. If you can, try to talk a tech-savvy niece of nephew into setting it up for you for a bit of pocket cash, if you don't feel comfortable doing it yourself. You can be very generous with them and still spend a lot less than you would at a computer store for the same service.

tl;dr : Dual-core speed ~2GHz or greater will be plenty for most average user tasks. 1GB (dual-channel DDR2) minimum (2GB with vista). ~200$ range for graphics cards should suit your needs if you dig for a deal. Try to do a custom build if you can (this will usually lead to getting better bang for your buck), and Dell is not happy-bunny-dance-time.

The questions are:

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  • What do you actually need it for? What do you plan to do with it?
  • What "stuff" do you have in mind when you say you want lots of bays to put stuff in?
  • How much money are you willing to spend?
  • How much time are you happy to spend on just making it work right? (as opposed to using it to do stuff)

Computers, Welll...

My machine is about the same age and is beginning to give trouble. I've been looking at the Acer M410 Desktop series. It runs on Windows XXP and is a very basic machine. However it does have a lot of room for future upgrades including Vista if one desires. The average price seems to be between $420 to $500.

My thoughts was that with the basic configuration XXP would be fine given its lesser hardware demands. Vista could follow in time after a few upgrades to ram as well as a cheap graphics card for those gaming things. (I've been known to Flight sim too! Whee!) This machine will also allow chip upgrades although I've heard worries about the power supply being a little low.

I don't claim to be an expert so if someone else has a better suggestion please, please let both Gwen and I know. We can use the Help!!!!

Hugs!
grover

PS: Remember Bargain is the key here!

VISTA

My SO has VISTA on the laptop and I can get a legit copy for about 20.00. After using her machine, I will avoid Vista as long as I possibly can. Micro$lut has a real piece of crap going there, as well as being a major pain in the whatsis. Example....every single time you try to open the virus to up[date or run it, the screen blanks and then it asks you if you are sure you want to do this, and if you did it and want to continue. Then you click yes, and it blanks and finally comes back to the original screen and you start again. Same with updateing stuff like the spam policers and even many of the programs we use. It is just not user friendly and there is no way to turn it off. But at least the firewall is acceptable if not good, unlike the one in XP. With any luck, they will be past VISTA and onto some other piece of junk before I am forced to downgrade to it. And few add on equipment wants to work with VISTA.

Vista is Also Not Compatible with Many Older Programs

Many older programs(applications) don't work with Vista. Several software (and hardware) suppliers have taken the attitude that you need to buy the current version of their products to get Vista compatability rather than updating the older products.

Avoid Vista.

My new computer came with Vista installed. I can't see that it offers any evident advantages over XP. Two things are evident though. First that my Epson scanner no longer works with it, and Epson have, (because of consumer demand?) decided not to provide an updated driver software for it. So the cost of a new scannerhas to be added on. And secondly that any attempt to download Microsoft updates disables my mouse. This seems to be a common problem without a common solution.

Hugs,

Fleurie Fleurie

Fleurie

Consumer Reports 6/2008 Issue Rates Laptops & Desktops

The article is clear with computers rated by use and reliability. You probably want one from the "Workhorse" group (price range $800 - $1,000). If you get the Vista operating system, more RAM is better (2 GB to 3 GB). Only the best machines come with separate video cards and dedicated video memory these days. You likely don't need it, but a good thing to do is to assure that the computer you buy has an available (empty) PCI-E slot so that you can have a good video card added if you find you need one.

If you are really on a budget, you might want to look at a "refurb" box from one of the national discount retailers. I bought one of them last year. It looked brand new to me (even inside). It just had last year's components in it. I added some memory and a video card and have a very nice computer for around $500.00. The warranty is only 90 days though.

Hope this helps.

Your kind of right on

Your kind of right on clocking rate not meaning much anymore , but that been true for a some time now. in the good old days of the ancient 8bit micro processors clock rate was the end all be all of system speed. since the clocking frequency dictated the time each cycle took (T = 1/f). but as system become more and more complex ,techniques like instruction pipeling become possible , where as many independent instruction are executed at the same time , increasing throughput. then you have predicative instruction techniques, and a bunch other way crazy ways to shove as many instruction through the processor as possible which completely destroy the model of faster clock rate = faster speed. This can be seen in AMD processors which have been historical clocked slower then Intel.

anyways enough geeking out with a rant.

If your getting a new system soon , I would take a look into Intel Core 2 stuff, which is now based on there 45nm technology.

AMD seems to have completely written off this cycle since they seem to be focusing much of there effort and energy into there trump card. Integrating ATI gpu technological into there next gen processors which is going to be incredible so if you willing to wait a couple of year ?? , you might want to wait on this since you will be able to avoid the business of picking a gfx card. with a GPU right on the die and the possibilities of having other cores being slaved of to the GPU as need will give you a pretty decent video card on demand, at least that the hope.

Ram wise 2 gigs , harddrive , 500gig SATA ?? (might be a bit overkill if your a low demand user and not downloading a bunch of movies , (and you don't have vista .... oh ya don't get vista , right tooth and nail for XP and then don't let anyone ever pry you away from it.. although if you want to join the linux side of things Ubuntu always there :P )

video card stuff , you only have two options really ATI and nvidia, since you not a hardcore gamer just to a simple min max to find something reasonable.

anyways good luck

Avoid too many fans

There is a lot of real good advice here. Something I'd like to add, that is if you have a choice between a component with a fan or one with a big honking heat sink, get the one with the heat sink. The last computer I built had something like eight fans for various components in it. When it died, after only two years, the only fan that was still working was the power supply fan.

Keep your computer dust free and keep it cool, with a minimum of moving parts!

Mr. Ram

Use the one you have.

Use the one you have.
Put money away.
Decide if you want a laptop or not.

1000$ will give you a decent new laptop.
use Goggle and compare prices.
Like Pricerunner.

http://www.pricerunner.com/

If it's mainly for Internet then :)
http://www.xconomy.com/2008/05/20/negroponte-unveils-2nd-gen...

Is definitely cool and you can take it anywhere in the world.

And if you're a geek not wanting a laptop.

Get a (used) old version PS3 and put a free distribution of Linux on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3

Then you'll have your very own small super computer :)

Otherwise be cool
Put some money away

Ps: If your cell phone uses f ex. SD cards (memory cards) try to buy a computer that use the same.

Ah, Vista needs 10 GigaByte (Hard-Disk) to start your computer :) And two Gigabyte memory.
Xp needs around one GigaByte (Hard-Disk) for the same.
And will work eminently on one GigaByte memory

That is without any third party software.
Guess which one is fastest ::))
In that case buy XP-professional, not 'home'.

( Three GigaByte memory is the optimum on a XP.
Installing more memory than that won't make any noticeable difference. )

Or a free Linux, Mandriva for example.
It will give you a really cool 3D GUI (depending on hardware) and all third party software you need.
Ad with it all, it will only be around three GigaByte (on the Hard-Disk).

Hey, and it's free.

Yoron