Heartache by the Numbers

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Troubles by the score.

Why do I have such a fixation on the Kudos and Total Views numbers?

That is a very good question when you consider that I’ve been saying for eons that there is absolutely no correlation between the quality of writing and these two numbers, for any given story.

The over-riding answer is this – I’ve seen too many new or impressionable writers turned off when their stories don’t receive high scores.

I’ve reposted about eighty stories, over the last six months. I’m not an expert on this subject. But -- I do have a strong opinion backed by considerable experience. Those stories and story parts have received an average of 155 Kudos and 5,725 Total Views since first being posted on BC. These numbers are skewed since many of my stories have been unpublished after they went to Hatbox or Doppler Press.

The main point is. . .some of my best stories received some of the lowest numbers of Kudos and Total Views are completely random.

Total Views is often misinterpreted as the number of people who have read a story. This isn’t even close to reality. People will be intrigued by a title or the small blurb. To learn more about the story they need to open it and read the descriptions of the characteristics. This counts as a View -- but often will result in the story being closed due to genre, length, topics covered, age of the characters, etc. If you’re like me -- and in and out of your own stories quite frequently to tinker -- that also impacts the numbers.

My guess is that the average story loses about fifty percent of the readers at the initial opening. Obviously, this becomes less of a factor as time goes by and serial chapters are posted. I base this theory largely on drop off with serials between the first chapter’s Total Views and the second chapter’s Total Views. For me, that results in Total Views of between 45% to 65% of the first chapter’s views for the second chapter. After that, the Total Views remain somewhat consistent with a larger number for the last chapter. . .reflecting people who read the last chapter first to see if the story is for them.

Add to that, the number of people who open a story multiple times to read it -- or those who read the story multiple time.

Historically, my stories generate a two to three percent Kudos to Total Views percentage. They always start out with a higher percentage. The longer a story is posted, the less likely it will receive a Kudos or a Comment. The romantic side of me believes this is because readers are coming back a second and third time because they like the story. This ratio will also drop if there are a lot of comments because people need to open the story to read comments. Often these are people who have already read the story and have left a Kudo.

My educated guess is that a two to three percent kudos ratio means that eight to twelve percent of those who read the entire story have left a Kudo. Some of my stories have a Kudos percentages of around eight, which could mean about a fourth of those who read the whole story leave a Kudo.

The easiest way to get a lot of Kudos or Total Views might be to do it yourself. This happens from time to time and is easily noted. Those authors might be finding a way to defeat the system. I have NO problem with doing what you have to do to stroke your own ego. I do that every day and believe it is mentally healthy. BUT – when a new or impressionable writer sees inflated numbers for another BC author -- they might become discouraged when they can’t match them.

Number inflation has gone on for as long as I’ve been on BC. Erin has changed the system a few times to thwart it.

The number of Kudos and Total Views are influenced by many factors. One of the biggest is how long your story remains on the front page and/or near the top. Obviously, this has nothing to do with story quality.

In this same vein is the uncontrollable factor of what other stories are posted at the same time as your story.

I’ve also noticed that weekends seemingly generate more Total Views and Kudos, for my stories. So, the day of the week your story is posted is seemingly salient.

I won’t go into Comments in depth. However . . . a few months ago I received a PM suggesting that an assertion I had made about the Big Closet “community” was flawed -- in that there isn’t a BC “community.” I disputed that statement.

After a lot of thought, I believe we are both right. I believe the vast majority of users of BC have zero sense of BC community. I believe the vast majority are takers -- who add nothing to this site other than their readership. That isn’t to say that readership doesn’t have value. A good percentage of BC’s revenue comes from advertising. Advertising is based on the number of “unique visitors.” Even if a person comes here and doesn’t participate beyond reading, they contribute by simply being here.

More importantly, there is a community-within-the-whole of BC that contributes stories, money, comments, kudos, and blogs on a frequent basis. That small percentage of the overall users is remarkable in many ways.

I sometimes try to write controversial stories that challenge the reader to examine the human spirit. My characters are often horribly flawed. My villains are despicable. Those that like my stories seem to be very loyal. Like the other authors here, I don’t get paid -- so I’m not about to change how I write -- to please the crowd.

I’ve never had a story that generated more than 400 Kudos. One of my stories is close to 400 and eight have gone over 300. However, many of my stories were first posted in the pre-Kudos era, or have been published by Doppler and have sold quite a number of copies, with the total revenue going to support this site.

A couple of my books that were published years ago still periodically hit the charts of the bestsellers on Amazon. That to me is one heck of a kudos.

My message, again – is to those newbies who are disappointed by a small number of Total Views, Kudos, or Comments. Just tell a good story and everything else is meaningless.

I’ll let Tony and Lady Gaga sum it up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYfF9VKMp4w

Jill

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Lily Rasputin's picture

Angela, thank you for your candid and pointed commentary. I don't think myself, or anyone, could have so succinctly expressed this idea.

Speaking strictly for myself, I get thrilled every time I see a new comment or review on one of my stories. And, conversely, when I see that hundreds of people have read one and there are only a few comments (or none) I start wondering if maybe something about that particular chapter or story put people off. However, I have had multiple writer/editor friends tell me that having no comments, kudos, or reviews is in no way a reflection on the story itself. I try to remind myself that all the time. As a writer, getting actual feedback from an audience is like receiving a standing ovation after a concert. Or a play. We relish it. Savor it.

I have known far too many creators who gave up because they felt that no one liked their work. Not because they received horrible reviews and comments (which is another matter altogether), but because they received no feedback whatsoever. This is a complete shame. The creative flame is a fickle one, and can all too easily be blown out and never ignite again.

I beg of everyone who reads a story or book or poem, on BC or anywhere, please drop a comment. Something as simple as "Great story!" takes no time at all and can help nurture a budding writer's self-esteem. It's the least you can do when someone provides you with free entertainment.

*climbs down off her soapbox*

Thank you for allowing me to bend your ear, and my utmost apologies to Angela for hijacking her post.

Limbo's Mistress (aka Samantha)

"All that we see or seem, Is but a dream within a dream." Edgar Allen Poe

It Not Hijacking

...when you augment and supplement. Thank you!

Jill

Angela Rasch (Jill M I)

Swimming in a Sea of Writers & Stories

BarbieLee's picture

Jill, I remember, yes I still have some memory, years back when there weren't that many authors posting on BCTS and a story stayed on the front page for weeks. The Front Page listed two or more new stories everyday. The flip side is there were fewer readers so the ratio of readers to writers seems to me to have stayed in the same percentage. More kudos with more readers? Nay as the readers are diluted among many more stories.

Not to discourage you from writing as you are a superb writer, but I know your style and your general direction in most of your stories. With my limited time I try and see what the new to BCTS writers are posting. I guess it's the residual editor and publisher in me to check for up and coming talent even though I'm no longer active in the business. If I can't stomach their story line or their lack of putting words in proper sentence context, I bow out of the story without leaving a kudo or comment. Otherwise I leave both as they put a lot of time and effort into what they posted and it's small reward for their work.

Now, I have said it before. If a writer plans on receiving anything for their talent besides the self satisfaction, gratification for writing, chances are they will be terribly disappointed. Out of the thousands of hopefuls who want to act and be on stage or in the movies, maybe one or two will win the brass ring. The rest will be forever hopeful but never realize their dream. Writers are like that. For the thousands who want to be the next Steven King, maybe one might make it.

I have no delusions as I write for myself. A story is given to me as I'm not a writer and I put it to paper and ink never knowing where it's coming from or where it's going. The words aren't mine any more than the story is. I have to read the story after it's finished to know what I wrote. Reading a new story is as fresh to me as it is to anyone else who picks it up. Don't get me wrong, I'm pleased anyone else thinks I can write a decent story but like any job, my greatest satisfaction is doing it and finishing it even if it doesn't come from me. Thus when a story is finished, there is no greater reward as I've already received my blessings.

Truly, I wish you happiness, Jill. Everything else will fall into place when you've found peace within.
Hugs Hon
Barb
Life is a gift, treasure it.

Oklahoma born and raised cowgirl

The Need for Support

According to Steven King he had given up on writing after years of rejection notes from literary agents. He was shocked when he received a check for Cary. Without telling him, his wife had taken his manuscript out of the garbage and submitted it one more time.

We would not have King's writing to savor without her.

How much great writing has gone away due to lack of support? If for no other reason than selfish motives readers should dole out Kudos and Comments.

Angela Rasch (Jill M I)

Submission to a Publisher is not that simple

BarbieLee's picture

Back in the dark ages, all publishers had a certain style and genre they accepted. They also had one designated editor for receiving said manuscript. If you understand how many wannabe writers sent a mystery manuscript to Chapel Publishing, much less their editor Jerry Cummings. You would understand why authors get rejected. Much less knowing Chapel Publishing was more into Christian themed stories not mystery and certainly not Father Dowling Christian mystery.
"Thank you for thinking of our publishing company." Was the usual rejection postcard. No explanation and they don't return manuscripts either. I believe I collected over forty of those myself and I was doing diligent research on who to contact and what they looked for in stories. Getting a large publishing company to pick up one's stories when they are an unknown is a spin of the roulette table. They receive thirty to a hundred manuscripts every single day. Like every other potential reader it's the title, then the preface, and the first four pages they look at. Then it hits the round file. END OF REVIEW!

If one is a well known public figure they can have a ghost writer write any story the publisher wants and get paid millions up front for a story they never wrote but claimed they did. Obama and Hillary come to mind for examples. And then there was the author who received rave reviews as NYT Best Selling Authors before his story was even published. Publishing has a lot of little dirty secrets and it's a cutthroat game.
Hugs Jill
Barb
Life is a gift, don't waste it.

Oklahoma born and raised cowgirl

I beg your pardon

BarbieLee's picture

Perchance you were writing about my comment?
Barb
Life is a gift, treasure it.

Oklahoma born and raised cowgirl

BarbieLee Was Making a Valid Point

Do the names Ted Sorenson and Tony Schwartz mean anything to you? They each were ghostwriters who propelled a man into the Whitehouse. Kennedy even got a Pulitzer for putting his name on Sorenson's book. There's nothing political about what she said.

Jill

Angela Rasch (Jill M I)

Missing kudos

0.25tspgirl's picture

I go to the authors tab and work my way down the list (I’m on my fourth pass now). When I find several chapters I choose printer ready version and read. (Saves me a lot of back button.) This removes the kudos buttons. Consider a lot of stories under kudoed for this alone. I do re-read my favorites too. I also buy them on Amazon. Doppler press is an amazing idea. It’s how I found BCTS!

BAK 0.25tspgirl

Aw drat!

WillowD's picture

When I saw the title of this comment I thought it was Shiraz announcing the third book in the Unaccounted Gains series. I guess I will have to wait longer.

Now back to Angela's topic.

Once it occurred to me that views does not indicate reads I decided to start applying a kudo for every story I finished reading. If it was good enough to catch my interest solidly enough that I took the time to read it then it deserves a kudo.

I also started to frequently leave brief "nice story" comments for stories I liked but didn't feel like commenting on at the time, either because I didn't have anything specific and unique I wanted to say or because I was not in the mood to post at the time. This has resulted in several of my favorite authors here telling me that I am one of the most prolific commenters on this site. Go figure.

Even better, I have eventually had a number of authors tell me that they started writing and posting more chapters to a story after I posted comments on how awesome I think the story is. Or that they started writing and posting stories faster. It is only in the past year or so that I started truly grasping that for many of my favorite and most gifted authors here, even one or two truly enthusiastic readers posting comments can make a huge difference.

I suppose I shouldn't really be surprised. After all, 20 or 30 years ago, a typical print run for a book by a new author for a mainstream publisher was 5000 books. Note that I'm not saying 5000 books were sold, just that that many were printed. And this is for books that fans still remember and talk about years later.

I consider myself truly fortunate that there are so many good authors posting their awesome stories here for free, just in the hopes of a few truly appreciative fans.

Regarding

Andrea Lena's picture

Authors and comments ? To quote Oscar Wilde- “There is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is NOT being talked about.”

  

To be alive is to be vulnerable. Madeleine L'Engle
Love, Andrea Lena

Ovation

Like others I write for myself - this is catharsis. But like Samantha, I do appreciate applause.
But I also want to increase my readership. Is that because I need more applause? I am not sure. It seems that the wider I send out my message (which is - in the main - love is the answer) the more satisfied I am.
I publish on Patreon, BCTS and Fictionmania and I have longer stories and short story anthologies on Amazon Kindle, but I have no idea how to build readership. Any ideas?
Maryanne

Start with an author platform!

Start with an author platform! This is a well established term for something that no two experts agree upon. My suggestion is to put "Author Platform" into the search term box over at YouTube. Be prepared to settle in for hours of entertaining answers. There are some commonalities in their approaches but I'll leave that to you to find them as well as the approaches that you feel will fit in with your personality as an author.

Jo Dora Webster

Like Jill, I've been posting here for a number of years

Angharad's picture

I still think it is the best site for transgender stories and run by the nicest people. As Jill says most of the traffic are readers who take what they want and leave, they probably don't care about the authors or the site support, having ranted about this few times, I stop thinking about it and consider that they may still be deep in a closet somewhere and terrified of being discovered. If so I pity them.I've had the opportunity to live, love and work as female for more than I did as a supposed male, and I am grateful for it. As I'm supposedly living the dream and have been for heading towards 35 years, I sometimes wonder what I'm doing here.

The answer is, I have a need to write and I post it here, because I write about something I know a bit about, and I post here because it's the best site by far of any I know of this sort on the web. Another reason I write, is not to find acclaim, though if it's offered I tend to snatch it before it's taken back: the reason I keep posting here and keep writing, even when I don't feel like it or have more pressing things to do, is that I have had readers write to me thanking me for posting something because it spoke to them, or helped them in some way. Several have written to me since the Covid pandemic began when they were stuck indoors or sick with it. They found comfort in my writing and thanked me. How can I stop writing and posting if people are relying on me to finish stories or write something new. If in these dark gloomy days, it brings comfort to a few people, then that is why I'm still here filling up the servers with my scribbles, plus BC does get some income from my published stories, I take nothing but the thanks of the readers.

Thanks Jill for recycling this old chestnut.

Angharad

The Penultimate Drama Queen?

It's been 16 years for me, and my family have been really ugly, but recently my youngest daughter began to come round. Many of those here have been inexplicably kind and tolerant to me and for that I am thankful. I'm not the best writer here, but there seems to be a small and loyal audience which support me. In the first years out, there were several stays in the Psych. Ward, and I finally understood that most of my problem was PTSD and they were now out of reach and had been for years.
I finally accepted that I'd always been TG from a very early age, and most did not know what that was. Life is generally pretty calm now and when we get shed of the Blonde Monkey, perhaps it shall be even better.

Happy Hols to you all.

Gwen

Cutting it loose

Would it be a good idea if when posting the author had an option to turn likes and read counts off for their creation ?

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